Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Taxes, Taxes, Oh Where Do My Taxes Go?

I got a kick out of these two jokes/analogies about taxes & the economic stimulus package.

The Economic Stimulus Package
This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q and A format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.


Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:


If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
If you spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
If you purchase a computer it will go to India.
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala
(unless you buy organic).
If you buy a car it will go to Japan.
If you purchase useless crap it will go to Taiwan.

And none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America.

You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer and wine (domestic ONLY), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.




Barstool Economics

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first (poor) would pay nothing.
The second (poor) would pay nothing.
The third (poor) would pay nothing.
the fourth (poor) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.

But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay And so:
The first would still pay nothing.
The second would still pay nothing.
The third would still pay nothing.
The fourth would still pay nothing.
The fifth man now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before.
And the first four continued to drink for free.
But once outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.
I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!' That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!' 'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important.

They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works!!

The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

by David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

11 comments:

Momma K said...

Graydon - I love it! Do you want to start being a contributor to my political blog?

Graydon Blair said...

Sure! That'd be fun!
Then I could "let out" my "Political side"....

Graydon Blair said...

This one's another one of my favorites.....
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The Ant and the Grasshopper



OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he’s a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MODERN VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he’s a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, “It’s Not Easy Being Green.”

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house where the news stations film the group singing, “We shall overcome.” Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper’s sake. Howard Dean & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his “fair share.” Finally, the EEOC drafts the “Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act,” retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients. The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant’s old house, crumbles around him because he doesn’t maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow. The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

Graydon Blair said...

Both senators from Utah voted AGAINST the new stimulus plan.

Good to hear!

Anna said...

I think it's a great idea too. then maybe i could see those great pictures you take and not have to read you "letting out" your "political side" :)

dan said...

I agree with you, the problem is people getting your redistribution of wealth do not. Most the time they are clueless as to where it comes from anyways. I think they might take my car soon for a neighbor who doesn't have one but wants one but doesn't want to work for it. Same idea different explanation.

Graydon Blair said...

Dan,
Yep. I agree. Sad, isn't it.

Graydon Blair said...

Anna,
My blog, my views. Pictures & all.
That's the beauty of it.

red said...

Two of your sisters husbands wouldn't have made it through their education without tax return and public assistance programs. I think they shouldn't be abused just like everyone else does but we have to remember that some people need these programs to get on their feet or back on their feet. Without medicaid and WIC we would have starved and died. Even when I was working full time it wasn't enough to pay rent, daycare and food while Daniel was in school. If those programs had not existed then we would have no hope for. Furthering education and creating a better life for ourselves and children. If we feed the poor to the wolves we will be held accountable. I don't think people should abuse the system at all but sometimes people are mentally or physically unable to progress because of poverty itself. Without these programs they have no way of living or of getting back on their feet. It would be nice to have something in the middle that helped people get back on their feet and learn to walk and support themselves. Just once I think everyone should experience the horrifying reality of poverty. People get stuck and along with social programs they need intelligent successful people,such as yourself to teach them how to live a better life. A lot of the time people who abuse the system were taught to do so for generations. Perhaps they just need someone to teach them a better way.

red said...

Sorry I hope that wasn't off topic. I guess I need my own political blog. :)

Graydon Blair said...

Janay,

That's not what I take issue about. I agree, medicare, medicaid, wic, welfare all have their place.

What I don't care for (and what I think happens all too often) is a system that encourages unwed mothers. A system with built in incentives to use welfare, wid, medicaid, medicare.

And the absolute ungreatfulness by a majority of those that are using it. That's what really is upsetting.

In most cases people feel it's an "entitlement"; as you said, some generations upon generations are "stuck in that rut" and unfortunately, the system produces no incentives to get them out.

"Why should I go get a job? If I do, the government will quit paying my rent!"

I met a guy on my mission that had 6 kids & was a "full-time welfare bum" as he called himself. He had absolutely no interest in getting a job whatsoever. He loved welfare & wasn't about to give it up.

I believe the Church's system of welfeare is much better (they make you do SOME sort of work before you ever get the money. Even if it's just cleaning the church, you don't get "something for nothing".) I'd LOVE to see that be implemented, but then we'd probably get so many whiners claiming it wasn't fair that the government was making them lift a finger that it'd get shot down.

Bill Clinton actually did a lot of good when he put a sunset date on welfare for unwed moms. The change was basically, you get money, but with conditions and for only a period of time. (or in otherwords, get off your ass & do something with your life instead of eat junk food & watch Oprah all day; the US is tired of funding your laziness)

Miraculously, a bunch of lazy single moms with kids all of a sudden started doing something with their lives and we saw a massive reduction in those on welfare and a massive increase on those getting jobs.

Yes. Poverty sucks. I get that. What I don't get is incentivising people to never get off their butt & do something about it.

Also, the other thing that irks me is when those that really don't pay a lot in taxes whine so much when those that carry the lion share of the tax burden (the extremely rich), that "the rich get all the tax breaks". The bar stool economics is exactly how the tax system works in the US.

Those with the most money pay the most in taxes. Wait until Woodison starts making bucko bucks & you'll understand what I mean.

No one likes paying taxes, but when those that pay the lion share of the taxes get tax breaks and are then ridiculed by those that really don't pay into the system that much, you can see where it can lead.

Where do you think the money to run welfare, WIC, Medicaid, Medicare comes from? It comes from taxes! In other words, the money that paid your rent, bought you food, etc, when you were using it was paid into the system by those that "had more than you" via the tax system.

I also am not a fan of "big government". I agree wholeheartedly with the quote that a government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it away.

I also disagree with the stimulus package. It's too full of pork (earmarked funds for projects that have NOTHING to do with "stimulating the economy" but instead fund lots of pet projects).

Did you know Nancy Pelosi stuck a pork project in there at the last minute to fund wildlife research? Hello!!!! The US is starving, the economy is going to hell in a hand-basket, and she wants to fund WILDLIFE RESEARCH?

Granted, the Republicans aren't guiltless either. But just remember where all that money comes from they're spending. From taxes.

In other words, technically it's all of our money. I would think we'd all want to take a big interest in how it's spent instead of just turning a blind eye & watching it disappear.

Janay, yes, poverty sucks. But for so many people they have no interest in doing anything about it. You & Woody at least are trying. What of all those others still stuck in the rut with no interest to change "because the gov't gives them everything they have every month." Wouldn't it be nice if the government said, "We're happy to give this to you, but you have to show something for it".

I also take issue with those that believe giving the US Public back money in the form of "stimulus checks" is going to do anything real for the economy. Bush tried that. It didn't work. Most just blew it at Walmart on useless crap from China (and that just fuels China's economy & Walmarts bottom line, not the US economy).

I also wish that some of our tax money that gets spent would go into educational programs to teach youth how to SAVE MONEY! or at least use it wisely. Our nation finally got a wake-up call with the debt situation; which I think is extremely good for all of us.

"Sorry, but, uhm....you really do have to pay back those credit cards & home loans. You know that big, honkin' house you bought that you couldn't afford but now you don't have a job to pay the mortgage with? It's ours now."

I agree that a large part of the whole mortgage mess is partly due to banks loaning the money, but it's also partly due to the fact that THEY WERE REQUIRED to loan people money that were high risk. The Federal Government was behind it...in fact enforcing it!

So, they made a lot of the mess we're in, and to some extent I understand tax money being spent to help dig us out of it, but I don't agree with just handing the money over to banks & telling them, "Here. Go use this. We aren't going to tell you how either".....to which they promptly held on to it and waited for other banks to fail so they could buy them up. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Anyway, hopefully you get the picture. I'm not against welfare programs, WIC, Medicaid, Medicare & all of that. What I'm against is:
1) Incentivising people to use these programs by not creating any means to GET THEM OFF this sustenance (the church does it MUCH better)
2) Those that are on it complaining about those that are funding it (ie. tax payers) when those that are funding it get tax breaks
3) Pork spending in the form of hiding it in stimulus packages "because nobody will think to look there" so they can get their stupid pet projects through.

We're about to enter an era of "stimulus packages" that essentially will "break the US Bank". Where do you think that money is coming from? More loans from China and printing of US Money....that's just going to drive up inflation and the national debt. A bit of fiscal responsibility could sure be practiced better at government levels.

Yes. I agree. Some of it's needed to keep us out of a recession/depression, but I also think the US needs a good, hard dose of "tough love" to get so many out of the "spend, spend, spend" mindset and back into a "spend only what you can AFFORD mindset".

The depression of the 30's was really bad. Sucked something terrible, but it was really good for fiscal responsibility. Look at our grandparents. They save money much better than their kids ever did; or their kids kids (that's you & I).

Yep. I'm willing to open this discussion. I enjoy discussing it...because I think so many out there are completely oblivious to what goes on at a congressional level; and so much of what goes on there effects our lives, much more than Congress ever leads onto.

Yep. This might be a can of worms to open up & discuss, but if it never gets discussed, then we all continue on blindly thinking "the government will just take care of all of us; they have our best interest in mind, right?"

-Graydon